Saturday 2 April 2022

Whats in the OSR Iceberg Tier Meme?

 (I will probably have to delete this if it actually gets popular so have fun while you can.)







14 comments:

  1. "Varg" and "Serpents Walk" would have to be in there, but at what level?

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  2. Flailsnails, probably the very top.

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  3. I don't know which things go on which layers but I'll order them roughly from top to bottom as my instincts dictate:

    THAC0 , Race as Class , Roll 3d6 in order, Gold-for-XP, Dragon magazine

    Lamentations of the Flame Princess , Grognardia , G+ , "Rulings, Not Rules" , the Quantum Ogre , Jaquaying the Dungeon , "You can not have a meaningful campaign if strict time records are not kept" , Lorraine Williams

    GNS Theory , the Links to Wisdom wiki, "Stable of Characters" style play, Empire of the Petal Throne , FKR

    Braunstein , Don Kaye , Gary Switzer's Thief Class


    Then, at the very bottom,

    5th Edition D&D

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    1. Would you stick a cut-off on Dragon Magazine? Say somewhere in the low 200's?

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    2. Having any awareness of it at all makes you more OSR than 90% of the current D&D playerbase. Not trying to diss them, they're new to the hobby and Dragon has been dead for awhile.

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  4. Vitriolic debates over the true meaning of Hit Points.

    Somewhere at the bottom, of course.

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    1 HP PCs, D&D Tournaments, Building your Keep

    Alignment languages, Killing another Druid to level up

    West Marches, Combat As War

    Negadungeons, The Answer Is Not On Your Character Sheet

    Clerics are Van Helsing, Everyone is a Thief

    D&D is set in the future, The Egg of Coot

    D&D is a competitive wargame, 1:1 time

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  6. Actually playing the game; Actually creating a world; Knowing where the concepts come from (Appendix N); Eldritch World-Eating-and-Aether-Commuting Horrors

    Rulings, Not Rules; West Marches; Gods Walk the Lands; Conan is a Thief; Very Hacked 5E

    Google +; Blogspot Blogs; Evlyn's, Luka's, Matt Adams' art; Bryce's reviews

    Vanilla 5E; Races as Class, THAC0, & descending AC*

    Science Fiction as Science Fantasy

    * I find these three are often stated as "necessary" for OSR, but I find them tedious and dumb. To me, the true purpose of OSR is "How would D&D have progressed if much of the same combat & adventuring philosophies had stayed the same, but if actual system design had continued evolving," and descending AC, THAC0, & Races as Class are not an evolution.

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  7. Gary Gygax's forgiving character creation method

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  8. I have combined, synthesised and updated. Thank you all!

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  9. What is "We, the Guardian"? Ashamed to say I knew everything down to that depth

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    1. From Petersons 'Playing at the World' one of the first major shared cospaly and roleplay paracosm's had a kind of secret anti-cult who were against the Paracosm and who had that name. (tbh I threw that one on specifically to be obscure as there were things up there I didn't know about and I felt bad about it)

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  10. Is the "Z" down there between the Drow and Fungoid tiers of some special significance? Only thing I'm aware of in the zeitgeist is the pro-Russian army symbol, but that doesn't seem on brand for PatStu..

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    1. Its not pro-Putin, but something nearly as bad. Its an information hazard so count yourself lucky you don't know.

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