Ok, Mike Mearls here is a way to manage the inevitable
crushing system bloat of 5e without it making the whole thing both byzantine
yet also somehow bland.
We all know player options sell more than GM options. So any
corporation is going to end up overproducing these and jamming out splatbook
after splatbook with crap you can add to your character. This will both
increase the amount of complexity and powergaming and yet also, somehow, make
everything a bit more vague and woolly.
A game where everyone playing is a weird living crystal of
some kind might actually be kind of good. But a game where a living crystal
teams up with a Minotaur and a Doppelgänger
and a Hill Dwarf probably won’t be. It takes a kind of pressure off the
creation of the world. None of these things can be truly strange or 'other'.
The charge of their discovery is lost. The fusion-like power you get when you
introduce something utterly unpredictable into a coherent world system is
lessened.
But this is a tide in the hearts of men and especially in
the hearts of Americans. Because in America everybody must have access to every
choice. Taking away or limiting choice can never be considered a good thing.
Oh, small groups of individuals might cling together on a temporary basis to
play games with highly-focused limited options. But doing this makes them
perverts and they know it. They will always be the minority for such a thing
works against the spirit of the land. Why can't you be a Ninja in FauxEurope?
WHY? THIS IS AMERICA AND YOU CAN BE ANY DAMMN THING YOU WANT.
In the same way, for a variety of reasons, people, and Americans in particular, will never be
entirely comfortable with the 'Other' as a powerful presence in serial
fiction. The Borg can be terrifying once, but then you get a sad Borg, and a
sexy Borg and a conflicted Borg who feels odd about being a Borg and Borg
babies.
Can Orcs be 'evil'? It’s a stupid question in some ways but
it will never ever be gone from the communal mind, partly because its the West*
and partly because its America and you just said that an entire race/species
can be evil. And it doesn’t matter how far the representation gets from
reality, it nudges a wound in the nations soul. It will never be an entirely
comfortable idea. There will always an exile Drow, there will always be a Noble
Savage Orc there will always be a bad guy that it-turns-out-has-a-point-and-who-are-the-real-monsters-anyway-could-it-be-MAN?
And the corruption, or, in this case, blandification, or
humanising of the 'other' makes for bland boring stories of adventure because
the whole point of adventure, its central charge, is to come face to face with
Something Else, something from Outside.
So, to recap.
1. Hasbro will be producing lots of Player-Facing stuff.
2. Everyone must have MAXIMUM CHOICE because FREEDOM.
3. The charge of the Other will always be lessened.
This is a way to ride that wave in the least frustrating
way. Instead of turning the wheel of liberalism half-way round to its customary
middle-volume position. Spin that motherfucker 360.
Instead of producing books about other worlds or realities
where the Player Races are different but the Others are the same array, produce
books from other moral worlds and cultural realities. Produce books from the perspective of these cultures
where they are the heroes and we (and elves, dwarves and hobbits who are our
aspirational shadow selves) are the other.
Lets look at how this might go.
SAVAGES**
Player Races;
Orcs, Goblins, Gnolls, maybe Thri-Kreen
Normal D&D is the points of light pressing out into the
surrounding darkness like a spider web.
Instead, this would be a collapsing natural world. A world of tundra,
mountains, forests and ancient sacred deeps slowly being strangled by an
encroaching and consuming civil order. The races that live here are not
reaching out, but being pushed back in irregular patterns. They are martial,
vital cultures who, yes, might eat a guy but it’s nothing personal.
Adventures are, instead of going into dungeons: breaking
into villages and towns, and even cities in the end game. As well as dealing
with monsters and all the usual D&D stuff. Treasure could be food or land.
There could be multiple civilised peoples with different attitudes and a
patchwork of old/new lands with different challenges.
'Monsters' sneaking through a semi-civilised area is like
Heroes sneaking through the wilderness.
(If you want to be extra-sure to not offend the parents,
make the evil empire extra evil, fascist, racist and nasty even to its own so
when you take it on its all right really dad.)
UNDERDARK
Player Races;
Drow, Duregar, Svirfneblin, Myconid, Olm, Kua-Toa?
Quaggoths?
Ok even with a lot of fudging this one is going to be a bit
evil. But, all you need to do to make it acceptable is have the players face
off against things that are even worse and do it in ultra-dangerous
circumstances. World-conquering daemons, Mindflayer Crusades.
Cunning members of ancient hidden cultures battle and
destroy immortal evils deep beneath the surface of the earth. Decadent but
brilliant badasses pull mad intrigues against even-badder scum. Or just: a
mixed group of low status adventurers put aside racial resentments and, to
everyone’s surprise, become ultra-competent league of problem solvers. It would
be a bit like mid-run Breaking Bad crossed with the A-Team.
THE DEAD
Player Races;
Skeleton, Vampire, Revenant, Ghost? Lich? Mummy?
Skeletons level up into Skelton warriors and Death Knights,
or become Liches if they get good enough at magic. Non-corporeal is tricky but
could give them increasing abilities to affect the world as they get stronger.
Basic spirit can level up through poltergeist, to shadow or ghost.
A city of the dead like Mievilles High Cromlech. Obsessive
ritualised timeless society. Missions
based on memories or sorrows or requests to retrieve particular relics and
fragments of the dead. Down time periods take place over centuries, not years.
Char Gen could be you are all made in the same dungeon by the same necromancer,
then heroes attack.
THE BLUE WORLD
Player Races;
Tako, Triton, Merman, Sea-Elf?
(Ok I read through all the 'good' underwater player races
and they are rubbish.(Except maybe Tako))
Ixitxachitl, Sayhuagin, Locathah.
No-one ever does the ocean as it is meant to be done and
that’s because they treat it as a big dish. Like an alternate map, but
underwater. It's a complex, fluid three dimensional flowscape. The real
continents and nations are not the shape of the land beneath the sea but the
currents and layers of the seas itself. The different trophic zones are like
bordering countries, the great oceanic flows that bring warmth and cold around
the globe are like continents.
Different races and cultures dominate different vectors and
layers. Many of the cities move. Everyone underwater thinks of it as the 'real
world' not as an addendum to the land. Because you would if you had access to
the majority of the planet.
There are numerous deep-sea caves, so that solves that
problem. Missions could be to the ruined palaces carved upside down under the
arctic ice, to the lightless trenches, to the undersea volcanic borderlands
where fire and water meet. Plus, numerous sunken cities. Floating cities built
underwater and lost or abandoned, drifting, full of ghosts and a thousand years
of accumulated clumped together history. Like undersea Space Hulks. The cursed
city of Repak-Noh appears drifting silently on the borders of the Troposphere,
before it inevitably falls back into the midnight zones and is lost for another
millennia. Who shall investigate its gleaming portals? You. You shall.
Underwater D&D, not as a holiday, but as the main game.
OUTSIDERS
Player Races
Ehhh, Githanki aaannd the other space/psionic ones? Shardminds? Ok this
ones a bit of a reach.
I suppose your base is the realm of madness and dreams and
reality itself is the dungeon. A nest of freezing time knotted space inhabited
by strange beings.
Anyway. To sum up.
The point is that you could have all of these in the same world, but they would
remain different and powerful to each other because the each inhabit a
different kind of moral and experiential universe. Yes, you can do crossovers,
but the dead are always strange to the living. The sea is always strange to the
land. The 'savage' is always strange to the civilised.
They are all heroes but they are heroes inside their own worlds like everyone is, and the difference
between those worlds lets you have difference and diversity whilst keeping them
strange to each other, so when they show up in each others stories they are
still reasonable monsters.
Kids are used to this because they know it’s from Warcraft
and its ilk where everything is playable, yet separate.
Each would be a different kind of game, but all you would need
for each one is a new players handbook. The basic engine underneath would
remain the same. Maybe new ideas for missions and xp. And your items and
treasures from one book can be the treasures and monsters for every other book.
*Yes I'm sure they have this kind of thing in the 'East' as
well and that 'West' and 'East' are troubled concepts, thank you Richard.
This is so good, so creative and so well thought out, I'm honestly sad that it will never happen.
ReplyDeleteBrilliant stuff!
ReplyDeleteIf things went down this way (if only) I'd surely want those PHBs... regardless of my interest in actual 5e.
I've got the 'savages' option in my homebrew setting... and have always wanted to run/play in The Blue World.
All of the sound fun and weird... but not too weird to be playable.
Just wow.
ReplyDeleteI love The Dead. Lots of possibilities!
ReplyDeleteD&D: The Masquerade.
ReplyDeleteD&D: The Oblivion.
D&D: The Forsaken.
D&D: The Dreaming. (Though I guess the fey have already been civilized in the core races.)
One wonders, does this necessarily subvert (by relativizing) the default frame?
This would make D&D 5e a memorable edition, something that didn't just break the mold but created a new mold. Unfortunately with the normalizing, and en-blandening effects of playtesting and focus-groups, nothing amazing like this will happen (focus groups give people what they say they want, but they aren't considering all the possible options, just what they can currently conceive of). But I would pay good money and/or help where I can to make something like this.
ReplyDeleteI love you now. Not in a creepy fangirl google your home address way. Just in a you wrote some amazing D&D stuff that was actually fun to read way.
ReplyDeleteThe Blue Sea was sorta done, and not terribly, in the Gazetteer series (I'm too lazy and it is too near my bedtime for me to go drag it out of the stack to see what it was called).
ReplyDeleteEveryone wants to redeem the Drow and orcs, but no one wants to redeem Mind Flayers, Ropers, and Otyughs.
No one's done an all-giants game yet, that I know of anyway, but they have done dragons (Mayfair's Dragons).
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DeleteIf you're thinking about The Kingdom of Ierendi, Faoladh, it's an archipelago, not an underwater Gazetteer (despite what its cover seems to imply) - one of the best Gazetteers ever in my opinion (false advertising for adventures and dungeons? Adventurer's society? Eeerie native islands with unique traditions? Secret archmages circle under a volcano that's actually a steam machine? Wow).
ReplyDeletePatrick, aren't the currents and flows underwater like roads instead? I prefer myself to think underwater empires as locations and would rather include the 3D elements like depth, darkness etc as geographical features of said land. Makes more sense to me.
I find it more interesting the other way round.
DeleteNow that it isn't bedtime, I figured I'd go grab it out. No, not Kingdom of Ierendi, the one I was thinking isn't actually in the GAZ series, but is PC3 The Sea People, set in the sea beneath Ierendi and Minrothad. It maps the sea bottom, of course, because there's little point in mapping expanses of water, but the creatures live at all various depths.
Delete"there's little point in mapping expanses of water"
DeleteI believe you are wrong
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Those maps have a very low return of value for gaming purposes in exchange for a lot of messy information that would overwhelm information that has a relatively high return of value for gaming purposes.
DeleteSo - D&D meets Monsters! Monsters!, I assume?
ReplyDeleteI don't knowanything about that product, but if its anything like what I imagine it to be like then probably not. Rather than stepping round a customary situation and playing things 'from the other side' this would mean inverting the whole moral universe and playing these creatures as actuall heros in their own moral universe.
DeleteThe dead one was done by Monte Cook and Sean Reynolds in D&D 3.5 and called Ghostwalk. It was an excellent book, and was pretty much exactly what you're talking about. Planescape was pretty much the outsider version of this idea. The 3.5 Planar Handbook/Guidebook and the 4e Astral Sea books were both tapping into this idea as well.
ReplyDeleteI really dig the inversion of the points of light setting in the Savage book. Good idea.
Speaking of White Wolf, this is what Exalted has always wanted to be and sometimes claimed to be but never been.
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