tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post4647972982959437376..comments2024-03-27T01:28:28.346-07:00Comments on False Machine: A Review of The Adventures of Robin Hood by Roger Lancelyn-Greenpjamesstuarthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-15553045485419019812019-05-09T23:11:58.481-07:002019-05-09T23:11:58.481-07:00I haven't seen it for a long long time but I w...I haven't seen it for a long long time but I watched the shit out of it on VHS back in the day. Four out of five?pjamesstuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-35130721753305137922019-05-09T14:56:02.356-07:002019-05-09T14:56:02.356-07:00How would you rate the Disney version? Out of five...How would you rate the Disney version? Out of five lionsIan Robothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04131583390990219217noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-6605358423666044262019-05-02T12:36:44.768-07:002019-05-02T12:36:44.768-07:00I think the big shift happens in the 1960s. Films ...I think the big shift happens in the 1960s. Films like 'A Man For All Seasons' (1966), 'The Lion in Winter' (1968), and 'I, Claudius' (1976) represent a very different kind of historical storytelling. But I know that people carried on making old-style historical epics throughout the 1960s - I've just not seen enough of them to know whether they were still recognisably part of the same tradition. Joseph Manolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05387275537008858939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-64984450141151082019-05-02T10:46:18.575-07:002019-05-02T10:46:18.575-07:00Heroes can die ('o')Heroes can die ('o')pjamesstuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-72938810588596962352019-05-02T10:45:15.705-07:002019-05-02T10:45:15.705-07:00There's a garden of in his old house of statue...There's a garden of in his old house of statues of stuff from his books, I gotta get a look in there some time. Plus his widow is still knocking about the Wirral visiting things.pjamesstuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-76879927521951603122019-05-02T10:44:16.178-07:002019-05-02T10:44:16.178-07:00This is the kind of in-depth content people need, ...This is the kind of in-depth content people need, especially when it agrees with me. <br /><br />Fully agree about the Vikings. I wonder how late you can trace the form?pjamesstuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-74608729757636707132019-05-02T00:55:32.032-07:002019-05-02T00:55:32.032-07:00One of the things I've always found interestin...One of the things I've always found interesting about Robin Hood is that the story is usually framed with Robin not being the real hero; Richard is the one they are all waiting for, and Robin is a sort of placeholder, doing his best until the, um, return of the king.<br /><br />Yes, in practical terms, he is the protagonist, of course, but the idea that he's just holding things together until Richard gets back is always there, and in some stories Robin even says as much.<br /><br />The only other protagonist-who-isn't-the-actual-hero I can think of right now is Jack Burton in <i>Big Trouble in Little China</i>, but I don't think it comes through there as well as it does in Robin Hood.thekelvingreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01928260185408072124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-55389466906564023482019-05-01T16:34:36.441-07:002019-05-01T16:34:36.441-07:00Oh ya, that is totally what I'm thinking as fa...Oh ya, that is totally what I'm thinking as far as an "antiman" class, that's great! The concept for The Pervert is a little different, but this is a good template for an OSR-style social-based class in general.maxcan7https://www.blogger.com/profile/12504030224075149157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-72152167903685423622019-05-01T14:54:09.090-07:002019-05-01T14:54:09.090-07:00I think I might have read this one as a kid. The e...I think I might have read this one as a kid. The ending really blew my mind, it was a real shock for being 8 or 10 and mainly reading comic books or whatever it was at the time.HDAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13506175636615989219noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-46807485227841213432019-05-01T14:10:46.393-07:002019-05-01T14:10:46.393-07:00It's legit. (I'm, like, 30% Victorianist a...It's legit. (I'm, like, 30% Victorianist at this point. I get to say these things.)<br /><br />I mean, Scott and his imitators were never the *only* strand in popular historical fiction: Hugo and Dumas were both absolutely massive in both Britain and the US, for example. But well into the 20th century, 'Ivanhoe' and 'Robinson Crusoe' were basically *the* books that Anglophone boys read while they were growing up, and the result was that each new generation of historical popular novelists - from GPR James and William Ainsworth in the 1830s to Stanley Weyman in the 1890s - wrote very much in the shadow of Scott. I'd say his influence only started to be eclipsed in 1936, when 'Gone With the Wind' came out and changed everything forever.<br /><br />I think your observation that Scott's influence lives on into early cinema is a very shrewd one. Even a film as late as 'The Vikings' (1958) feels very Scott-like to me in many ways. Joseph Manolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05387275537008858939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-56957268051990604292019-05-01T13:58:59.338-07:002019-05-01T13:58:59.338-07:00I wrote a 'rake' class a while back, which...I wrote a 'rake' class a while back, which was basically a rogue whose abilities were all based around being a sexy fop in a gorgeous waistcoat rather than a sneaky murderer with a dagger fetish. You might find it germane to your interests.<br /><br />http://udan-adan.blogspot.com/2018/05/bx-class-rake.htmlJoseph Manolahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05387275537008858939noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-4988858975029160572019-05-01T12:25:49.364-07:002019-05-01T12:25:49.364-07:00I've had an idea for a while of an OSR class o...I've had an idea for a while of an OSR class or fantasy setting archetype called "The Pervert" that's sort of intended as a commentary on how society views sex, gender, and sexuality, and while not the same as the anti-man as you describe it here, I think there's some overlap. I think it would be interesting to have an "anti-man" OSR class, in that if you take away the awful 'queer coded as evil' subtext, you basically just get a Vance / picaresque Rogue, except if they are or were wealthy / "high class".maxcan7https://www.blogger.com/profile/12504030224075149157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-47928503353339184142019-05-01T11:14:35.737-07:002019-05-01T11:14:35.737-07:00Lancelyn-Green was massive for me growing up - esp...Lancelyn-Green was massive for me growing up - especially his Tales of the Greek Heroes and Myths of the Norsemen. Either I didn't pick up his Robin Hood, or it didn't make as much of a mark, but I recognise the features of tying myths/legends/tales together into a tighter canon than they might otherwise have had. As I recall, his Tales of the Greek Heroes starts with a chapter of him discussing how the Greeks themselves made a canon out of the multiple tales of Zeus and the goddesses that he mated with. <br /><br />He was also a pal of C.S. Lewis, at least to the point of writing a few notes on Lewis's unfinished tale of Menelaus when a few chapters of it were published. Solomon VKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11763252777153908412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-61257233387840531642019-05-01T06:00:33.873-07:002019-05-01T06:00:33.873-07:00Probably yeah, though as usual I am speaking from ...Probably yeah, though as usual I am speaking from limited knowledge as I haven't read that many of his books. We need someone like Jess Nevins to see if its a legit theory.pjamesstuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-80763428751465458282019-05-01T05:39:40.410-07:002019-05-01T05:39:40.410-07:00I love these literary explorations. Your theory ab...I love these literary explorations. Your theory about a 'Walter Scott' era in Anglo (popular) historical fiction is really interesting. What do you think is the touchstone example of his approach among Scott's own work - Ivanhoe?Lucien Reevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10083652174036325588noreply@blogger.com