tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post4246723721693569043..comments2024-03-27T01:28:28.346-07:00Comments on False Machine: Completely enclosed in the hollow of his handpjamesstuarthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comBlogger2125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-27618608012568137322013-09-29T22:05:22.551-07:002013-09-29T22:05:22.551-07:00If you don't know about Zhu's blog, you sh...If you don't know about Zhu's blog, you should take a look for some of his thinking on this subject: http://realmofzhu.blogspot.ca/search/label/80s%20games%20workshop<br /> <br />I was looking for a picture of Alan Perry's orc "irregular" with the Margaret Thatcher banner to crudely illustrate this, but...<br /><br />When you say that art doesn't have a universe to draw from and account for - I take it that taking you're comparing (unaccountable) High Art to the closed feedback loop of GW and other popular fantasy IP's - which has to exist in reference to itself. I'd agree that this - or the appearance of this - internal coherence is a bit part of 40k's appeal. <br /><br />But a good deal of the output from early GW's artists and writers was straight-up news parody, accomplished with whatever genre trappings would best support it. At that time, it wasn't really accounting for its universe so much as for ours - that's where the grimness first came in.<br />Evan Whttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14951417464125973886noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-64478962356089988672013-09-29T15:26:20.644-07:002013-09-29T15:26:20.644-07:00The only response High Art has to this (and they a...The only response High Art has to this (and they are lame, really) are crap. There are 2:<br />-High Art does the basic R&D and then Low Art takes it and runs with it (which is allegedly easy, but isn't--and often produces better results).<br />So a High Artist like Sir Arthur Conan Doyle invents detective stories (budding off the tree of Literature) and then anyone after that writing a detective story is a Low Artist working in that person's footsteps.<br />Hieronymous Bosch and other early Christians invent the Hellish Grotesque and then the other people who draw them (unless they can plausibly merge their grotesques with the High Art fashion of the day) are Genre Artists working in a factory he built.<br />-The other fact is "art" is a category we only use when we can't think of any other way to sell a thing.<br />If you make a tiny sculpture, it's _automatically_ art. If you can use it as a bottle opener or chess piece or toy soldier or paperweight it has ascended to a commercially more secure but less prestigious place (in the market's mind) by suddenly no longer needing to justify itself on looks (or whatever) alone. It has a use!<br />The art world considers that cheating, basically. If it was honest _art_ it'd gamble on its ability to survive commercially on wits alone.<br />Folks also have vague notions of meaning being a prerequisite for art, but these all fall apart on even a cursory inspection or else disqualify many undeniably Fine Art objects because they're mutually contradictory.<br />So, in short: there are lots of reasons folks don't recognize these things as art but none of them are good.Zak Sabbathhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812410680077034917noreply@blogger.com