tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post3604585478394393037..comments2024-03-27T01:28:28.346-07:00Comments on False Machine: Goose-Gold & Goblinspjamesstuarthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-84751120290730410222020-10-20T16:37:51.368-07:002020-10-20T16:37:51.368-07:00What a wild conversation.
"If you make a gam...What a wild conversation.<br /><br />"If you make a game without violence, aren't you FORCING that violence out, and thus, being violent yourself???" no. Of course not. "Forcing violence out is violent itself" what a wild take.<br /><br />"If a kid saw a goblin they would immediately murder that goblin on sight, no questions asked." <br /><br />absolutely wildJackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13576384742168685922noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-89421338568682659392020-08-17T20:45:11.769-07:002020-08-17T20:45:11.769-07:00That would be an honor! If you like, send me an em...That would be an honor! If you like, send me an email and I’ll return you a gosish tuatha<br />thespiritofthedepths@gmail.comHer Christmas Knighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09445850026904816000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-21630690900643147792020-08-16T08:32:38.291-07:002020-08-16T08:32:38.291-07:00This is a solid call SalindayThis is a solid call Salindaypjamesstuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-1129794006529180352020-08-16T08:31:39.829-07:002020-08-16T08:31:39.829-07:00I might have you write the 'Legendary Geese...I might have you write the 'Legendary Geese' section for this.pjamesstuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-90916317326183390892020-08-05T09:22:56.598-07:002020-08-05T09:22:56.598-07:00roll to not lose temper in front of goose and ther...roll to not lose temper in front of goose and thereby begin the apocalypseNot Dark Lordhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12114529296157712566noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-51222610820931257442020-08-03T12:19:11.448-07:002020-08-03T12:19:11.448-07:00I love this more with each blog post. First child ...I love this more with each blog post. First child is on the way and I would love to introduce her to role playing with something like this.Matt Phttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03301070414722134097noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-77949271352741986072020-07-24T07:05:01.122-07:002020-07-24T07:05:01.122-07:00A goose heavy narrative sounds pretty awesome actu...A goose heavy narrative sounds pretty awesome actually, and gives this game a signature flavor all its own beyond "kinda Ghibli".<br /><br />It could also be that the importance of geese = riches is a template that can be extended to other animals in the setting. Maybe sheep's wool is the only thing that protects against Deep Winter, goat milk will cure baldness, etc. Each animal could have some well known usefulness beyond the normal "fun to look at, can be eaten also".Salindayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03474506269950104807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-68839431116486610212020-07-21T13:51:01.641-07:002020-07-21T13:51:01.641-07:00Thank you! I found Mattie on Youtube, the full thi...Thank you! I found Mattie on Youtube, the full thing is there.<br /><br />St Werburgh, who was the patron saint of Chester, had multiple goose-related incidents, including one where she restored an eaten goose to life.pjamesstuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-25311144575462509212020-07-21T13:27:34.100-07:002020-07-21T13:27:34.100-07:00Random Hungarian here.
We have an epic poem about ...Random Hungarian here.<br />We have an epic poem about a gooseherd written by Mihály Fazekas in 1804. It is basically a nonviolent revenge story. Nonviolent as the protagonist beats up the greedy and dumb noble a bit (three times).<br /><br />The poem is only for people with much spare time.<br />But there is an animated movie about it (Mattie the Goose-boy, 1977). It is pure gold. Highly recommended.<br /><br />Also, Nils Holgerson.<br />Maybe more available for the English speaking audience.<br /><br />CheersWalpolehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11046038057680255211noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-86898333286614102542020-07-21T07:08:19.811-07:002020-07-21T07:08:19.811-07:00This is a clever development on the idea. Golden g...This is a clever development on the idea. Golden goose eggs feels thematically appropriate and creates a diegetic reason to be nonviolent.<br /><br />I'm already thinking about the Undertale-style hack for this...maxcan7https://www.blogger.com/profile/12504030224075149157noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-72709715696727287842020-07-21T02:21:50.033-07:002020-07-21T02:21:50.033-07:00Thank you for the comments everyone. Some good ide...Thank you for the comments everyone. Some good ideas here.<br /><br />But you are not getting the varied alternate forms of violence you all seem to immediately desire. Violence will exist. It will be quick, it will be lethal and it will have long term consequences.pjamesstuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-73617729335190210252020-07-20T19:13:02.575-07:002020-07-20T19:13:02.575-07:00Goblins and Goose Gold is better. Sorry.Goblins and Goose Gold is better. Sorry.Yolande d’Barhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17038593514837112528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-41915369168004422492020-07-20T19:12:46.339-07:002020-07-20T19:12:46.339-07:00Goblins and Goose Gold is better. Sorry.Goblins and Goose Gold is better. Sorry.Yolande d’Barhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17038593514837112528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-12526473433742593962020-07-19T07:39:13.406-07:002020-07-19T07:39:13.406-07:00Two potential ways you could go with the geese. 1...Two potential ways you could go with the geese. 1) Like the Sankara stones in Temple of Doom. I.e. generally linked to healthy crops, good weather, lack of disease. 2) Providers of material wealth for the community, allowing plentiful goods to be imported in. The latter fits the idea of a distant feudalist/mercantilist realm, to contrast the utopian setting of the game. It is the wealth the geese create that preserves the naivety of the game realm (inside the realm, gold is not used in exchange). Perhaps weapons only come from the external place (or are relics from a past civilisation). Perhaps weapons can't even be bought, or it is an entirely barter/scrip system in the game realm. <br /><br />To me, it evokes a wilderness setting, where families are separated by physical geography. Maybe not even villages, or just a central one. In my own game, I am exploring the practice of a potlatch for community decision making (as used by indigenous native American and Canadian populations). I think it could work well in your setting, as a possible alternative to the benevolent king. Anton Paulissenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02681762778748554934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-36517490700547082772020-07-19T07:21:40.997-07:002020-07-19T07:21:40.997-07:00Wonderful. Some thoughts:
1. As others have said,...Wonderful. Some thoughts:<br /><br />1. As others have said, violence should be okay as long as there’s a distinction drawn between fighting for dominance vs fighting to injure or kill. The injury/kill kind should be treated like any other hazard: a cliff, a fire, etc. It’s a hard barrier that must be circumvented somehow. You can’t go toe to toe with the hungry wolf, any more than you can walk through the fire or jump off the cliff. Other means must be used. <br /><br />2. Siblings is of course the default PC party structure, but how about animal PCs, eg the family dog or a talking frog they meet? Maybe other exceptional sibling-alikes, eg the adopted orphan. <br /><br />3. Speaking of animals: I love the goose thing but it maybe results in a very goose-heavy narrative. What about other domesticated livestock: sheep, or (better for the goose-like temperament) goats? If the party is understood to be recovering their flock of sheep (a la Bo Peep) then any violence will scatter the flock and/or send the goats into a frenzy. Maybe the family dog has a limited ability to keep the sheep herded together? Maybe the sweet innocent littlest sibling is he one the sheep naturally follow? Ideas for PC “classes” emerge from this mechanic. <br /><br />Keep it coming. I’m eating this up. Picadorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01244353406711565712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-26640516191880176052020-07-19T03:30:07.807-07:002020-07-19T03:30:07.807-07:00The assumption that kids are natural sociopaths is...The assumption that kids are natural sociopaths is, in my experience, completely wrong. But if you're the kind of guy who assumes it's normal to give a child a firearm...Martenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12978941864880013486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-61449031294325761142020-07-19T02:22:11.154-07:002020-07-19T02:22:11.154-07:00Yeah its stress-stress-soft-stress-soft, all with ...Yeah its stress-stress-soft-stress-soft, all with the deepest vowel as well. Imagine Martin Luther King announcing it.pjamesstuarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13288777018721199748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-13941628906718753752020-07-19T02:04:41.085-07:002020-07-19T02:04:41.085-07:00Assuming the "and" is like a grace note,...Assuming the "and" is like a grace note, is that not THREE strong emphasises in a row? Hardcore. As compared with "Goblins and Goose Gold", which splits them up. Anton Paulissenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02681762778748554934noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-53291537724111008552020-07-18T22:55:48.199-07:002020-07-18T22:55:48.199-07:00( o)<( o)<scrap princesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01278801560026111482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-23607099370473325102020-07-18T16:48:51.755-07:002020-07-18T16:48:51.755-07:00Im not talking about schoolyard violence. Every an...Im not talking about schoolyard violence. Every animal resorts to terminal violence when the own wellbeing or territory is threatened. We are animals too, but many of us have the commodity of not having to experience violence in our daily lives. This is so that we often justify it as not being the normal state. <br /><br />Kids are much closer to the natural order as they've not built "civilization approved" assumptions around it. Let's put it like this: If a hungry goblin got into your yard, a kid would shoot him much faster and have much less bad afterthoughts about it than an adult who is not trained to combat (who probably would question things as "what will they think of me if i shoot the goblin", "can i be punished by law or god if i do this" or "maybe the goblin just wants to ask for directions")<br /><br />Kid would probably only be hindered by what his parents would think about the thing. But dont be fooled trying to think that a kid would try to befriend the goblin or try to talk him out of eating his parents instead of shooting him: only an adult is so worn out by doubt to do that.Jack Tremainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12906068267967864239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-4574013997020647212020-07-18T15:26:11.173-07:002020-07-18T15:26:11.173-07:00Fear of violence is increased in adults who have n...Fear of violence is increased in adults who have never had to resort to it than in kids. <br />Given the same situation of a goblin getting into your garden, the kid is much faster to shoot him down (and have no bad thoughts about it later) than in an adult with no combat experience. They just understand violence is natural and have not had to justify the opposite to themselves as many of us do on adulthood.<br />It is OK to kill. Every animal kills when his security is threatened, and we are animals. Adults often think they're not but kids know.Jack Tremainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12906068267967864239noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-13247067482776410752020-07-18T01:12:22.207-07:002020-07-18T01:12:22.207-07:00I think 'terminal' is the important bit he...I think 'terminal' is the important bit here. Most violence in the world and (ideally) any violence in a young child's life is nonlethal. That is a pretty big difference to regular DnD and should be facilitated in GnG in some way. Whacking a gobbo into actual submission with a bamboo cane is violence but doesn't even come close to attempting to kill/maim anyone. Perhaps instead of Hp you'd have to attack the resolve to fight.Martenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12978941864880013486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-14286772958829159952020-07-18T01:02:08.700-07:002020-07-18T01:02:08.700-07:00Geese as universally feared has a good fairy-tale ...Geese as universally feared has a good fairy-tale logic to it. The perils of the farmyard to a child, the wild thing that must be kept. <br /><br />The Geese of the Capitol is a fun painting. https://worldbuildingandwoolgathering.blogspot.com/2019/06/priests-beasts-and-sacred-geese.html<br /><br />The other Goose theme that occurs is the 'Wild Goose' - poetically indicating exiled Irish mercenaries, but more direct depictions of wild geese point would include TH White's Sword in the Stone and The Wonderful Adventures of Nils (not read the latter). Could this indicate a potential for rootlessness or sporadic periods of travel for the household geese of GG&G?Solomon VKhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11763252777153908412noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-40784696712017153292020-07-17T19:16:54.424-07:002020-07-17T19:16:54.424-07:00Conflating the schoolyard violence of children wit...Conflating the schoolyard violence of children with the terminal violence of adults is a false equivalency. <br /><br />You absolutely don't need violence as a solution, because when anything in a children's situation faces terminal violence the solution should be to run away and/or hide. Cazhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03269051129598602936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4522018539311056682.post-6379135175266419672020-07-17T16:47:16.446-07:002020-07-17T16:47:16.446-07:00even kids understand that violence is necessary wh...even kids understand that violence is necessary when facing hard trouble. Forcing it out is violent itself. I'd still go with making it happen by "debilitating" the monsters if it happens (at 0hp they cannot act, fluff it as a beating)Jack Tremainhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12906068267967864239noreply@blogger.com